After 3 days in Jacksonville FL learning how to plaster at Tempool's plaster school, Eric and Jarred reflect on the skills (and endurance) required to be a good plaster company. We learned a LOT.
00:00 - Intro
01:34 - Tempool plaster school
03:21 - We learned a LOT by physically plastering a pool
06:23 - Plasterers are artisans. There's both an art and a science to this trade
07:57 - We learned the entire process from waterproofing/prep, to plastering, to exposing
12:57 - Water to cement ratio. The mixer matters!
14:53 - The pro's at Tempool moved differently than us newbies
16:17 - Finishing steps - butter/cream removal
18:23 - Finishing steps - wet brushing/brooming, rinsing
21:05 - Exposure types: acid wash, advanced acid wash w/bicarb rinse, and Pool Wash™
22:50 - Passing the baton: shotcrete > prep crew > plaster crew > exposure crew > startup technician
24:25 - Watershape University class C3611, Essential Plaster Workshop, Nov. 12-13, 2022.
25:04 - Closing. Thanks for listening! We think we passed 50 listeners!
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83. We Learned How to Plaster a Pool...
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[00:00:00] Jarred Morgan: ...and this isn't a YouTube anyway. So
[00:00:03] Eric Knight: Did you want to just start the episode that way? You know what? Yeah, we were talking behind the scenes. Welcome everybody. This is episode 83 of the Rule Your Pool podcast. Jarred, it's good to see you. Although we missed a great opportunity to actually do this in person, but we ran out of time.
[00:00:20] Jarred Morgan: I know it's been so long. All of like three days since I last saw you. And I'm looking forward to this episode because boy, I had some lingering effects for, uh, a few days after our nice visit in Jacksonville, Florida.
[00:00:35] Eric Knight: Well, why don't you tell the audience what we did this past week?
[00:00:38] Jarred Morgan: So everybody, we decided we were going to take it upon ourselves to learn how to apply plaster to a swimming pool. Let me tell you what. My hammies and calves were screaming the day after we did that.
[00:00:56] Eric Knight: Yeah. We definitely have a new appreciation after getting in there on a, a hot Florida day, learning how to trowel and all that. But I had fun. See, you just weren't in shape for it. I'm fine. I'm not sore at all.
[00:01:06] Jarred Morgan: Buddy. My body's just not used to that kind of bending over and to everyone that does that for a living, bravo. Because man, I kept lunging down on my butt to try and sit down and get in the sitting stance. And every time they were like, Nope, you're not getting enough pressure on the trowel, you can't do that.
[00:01:24] And I was like, ugh!
[00:01:26] Eric Knight: You got to lean down on it.
[00:01:27] Jarred Morgan: I know.
[00:01:28] Eric Knight: And uh, yeah, let's go into it. Episode 83, Rule Your Pool.
Tempool Plaster School
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[00:01:34] Eric Knight: So the way this actually started, Jarred was about two or three years ago. It was actually right before COVID. And we were talking to Jon Temple, the owner of Tempool, and he has a training academy there. And he teaches hands-on plaster application, waterproofing, prepping, uh, troweling of just about any surface, pebble, quartz, plaster. Teaching how to operate the trucks, teaching how to mix.
[00:02:18] I mean, it's really a hands on, if you don't know how to plaster, you come and you learn from Tempool for a week. And I said, I think we should do that. Because we deal with plaster problems all the time. And he just kept saying, well, come on down. What are you waiting for? Just come on down. And then, you know, the tyranny of the urgent takes over and we couldn't get there and then COVID happened.
[00:02:40] And then we just kept running out of time and, and eventually we ran out of excuses. And we said, oh, you know what, we're going to be teaching a class with you, Jon, at Watershape University in November of this year, at the international show. I think it's probably time. It's time that we come down there and put our money where our mouth is. We said we were going to do this. Now it's time to show up and learn how to plaster.
[00:03:02] Jarred Morgan: Well, and not just that, we do answer a lot of questions on plaster problems, even though we're not plasterers. And if we had a better understanding of how they're applied, how they're exposed, kind of the general understanding of how it's mixed and so forth, it makes us more of a resource and have a better understanding of what we're looking at after the fact.
[00:03:21] And it's safe to say we learned a lot. I know I did. And I'm pretty excited to talk about it.
[00:03:27] Eric Knight: For sure. Because I've watched plaster crews. I don't know, a couple dozen maybe? I've watched pools get plastered. But that's not the same as being in the pit and actually holding the trowel and feeling that material. Feeling the cement as it hardens, and you know, just trying to actually manipulate it into the crevices and the corners. That was hard work man. Like it was, it was no joke.
[00:03:47] Jarred Morgan: It was a lot harder than I thought it was going to be. You know, you think you're just spreading peanut butter on a sandwich or something and no problem. And. It starts off like that, ladies and gentlemen. It actually starts off like soup, and then it turns into peanut butter. And then it turns into cement. I know, shocking cement. It's a cementitious surface. But either way.
[00:04:07] Eric Knight: No, it definitely...
[00:04:08] Jarred Morgan: it gets hard pretty quick.
[00:04:11] Eric Knight: Yeah. And within 40 minutes it is a completely different material.
[00:04:14] Jarred Morgan: And when you suck at plastering, like Eric does, it you better get moving.
[00:04:19] Eric Knight: Wow. Shots fired from, from the guy who took more water breaks than I did. Now, admittedly, it was hot in Jacksonville. But there are people that do this for a living and do 2, 3, 4 pools a day. That's a lot of work. And two pools a day, every day? Respect. I mean, seriously. Respect. That is some hard work. And we had it easy, we were only doing a test pool.
[00:04:48] We didn't actually have to climb down into it. We just walked into it because it's only kind of like a half shell. We didn't have to worry about the mix design, we didn't have to prep anything. We just got in there and learned how to do it. And we had some of the best plasterers in America right next to us holding the trowel, showing us how to do it. We had some excellent coaching.
[00:05:06] Our thanks and gratitude, go to Tempool for hosting us. And that was not a cheap undertaking either. I mean, we're talking a lot of material, a lot of man hours that they donated for us to learn this. And I feel like it's important for us to appreciate and truly understand and walk a mile in the plaster applicator's shoes to understand what is going on when these plasters get applied.
[00:05:33] We see marks like trowel marks or trowel burn. Water troweling. We hear these terms, late hard troweling. Ribs along the lower corners of the pool, where you start seeing lines every foot. You know, and we've learned why those happen and it's totally understandable.
[00:05:50] If you don't actually have coaching, like we got at Tempool to learn what you're supposed to do instead of the habit. Because I started doing something by instinct, even though I didn't have instincts developed, I'm thinking, well, naturally I would push the cement up the wall this way. And he's like, no, it's too late for that.
[00:06:07] Now you have to do it the other way. Why? Well, because if you don't do that, then the moisture's going to push up and you're going to start getting these ribs, these trowel lines, because on the outside of the trowel, you'll have less compaction. And I mean, there's a real art to this and there's a science to it, frankly.
Plasterers are Artisans
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[00:06:23] Eric Knight: Plaster applicators are artisans, in my opinion. Would you agree now that we've done it?
[00:06:28] Jarred Morgan: I would say it's a lot like a cake decorator or somebody that's applying icing and you're trying to sculpt it just perfectly with the right amount of pressure and getting it in the right place in the right time, before it hardens. That's exactly what it's like. And you mess it up, you mess it up.
[00:06:44] Eric Knight: One of the things that I noticed the most between the Tempool guys who were coaching us and you, me, Shaun and Miguel who had never held a trowel in our lives, except Shaun. I think Shaun did it before, years and years ago.
[00:06:57] Jarred Morgan: He was sandbagging.
[00:06:58] Eric Knight: He was, yeah, he was trying to make us feel good about it. So, but the point is there was a huge difference in their skill and ours. And I thought we did pretty well. They said we did pretty well. Maybe they were just blowing smoke at us. But what was one of the things that you noticed that was a big difference between the Tempool pro's and us?
[00:07:18] Jarred Morgan: Can we say the size of our forearms?
[00:07:21] Eric Knight: I have huge forearms, man. I don't know what you're talking about.
[00:07:25] Jarred Morgan: You could tell the plaster guys when they're putting pressure on 'em they, they can use the forearms and they know how to handle a trowel. I can say that for sure.
[00:07:32] Eric Knight: Well, they also were so smooth with it. They were transitioning from trowel to trowel. They knew exactly which trowel to have. They were doing complete um, sweeping lines, I'm using the wrong terminology, but you could tell they were on another level. You could tell that they do this a lot, and it was kind of a beautiful thing to see them transform this ugly wall into this beautifully pebbled surface.
3 Day Process: Prep, Plaster, Expose
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[00:07:57] Jarred Morgan: We'll get into that and how hard it is, but I mean, just so everybody knows, we had a two day process here. And we started basically from the beginning of the waterproof.
[00:08:06] Obviously we weren't there when they shot the gunite shell, but that would take a little too long, but we applied
[00:08:11] Eric Knight: the shotcrete shell was put in 20 years ago.
[00:08:14] Jarred Morgan: Yeah. They're working with the same shell. It's almost as if they just, well, it's not almost as if they just re plastered this pool. So if you get your pool re plastered, same process.
[00:08:21] So we started from the waterproofing phase. All right. And worked out from there. So we went into prepping, the equipment, applying the plaster, and then the next day we went into the exposure side. So we can go from there, Eric.
[00:08:36] Eric Knight: Yeah, it was a three day process, like you said. The first day we were prepping the pool. We watched three different ways to put a waterproofing coat on. They rolled it on, they sprayed on a liquid version of it, and it didn't have a lot of texture, but it had better coverage. And then they used a mechanical pump and they pumped a much thicker version of the same material that had a lot more texture to it.
[00:08:58] As Bill Drakeley said, you want that three dimensional bond plane. So that plaster has a lot to get stuck to. So we watched that, uh, and then they started prepping the truck for creating the plaster in the auger and shooting it down the hose.
[00:09:14] Jarred Morgan: There were some good things that I picked up from the waterproofing side of it. Because on some of the pictures that we saw, there wasn't coverage and these little divots and little crevices and just the, the uneven areas of the, the gunite, after they chip out. And he was like, yeah, when you don't get all the way down and get full coverage, this is where moisture seeps in and you start getting problems in your plaster. Even though it looks fine here,
[00:09:39] yep. That will be a problem later. So there's things that obviously we don't see when we inspect pools or look at, you know, problems that are explainable when you start digging a little further into what happened and why. And waterproofing, in our opinion, we're big fans of it. It's an insurance policy in our opinion. And why would you not want that?
[00:09:57] Um, but then we got into the different ways to apply it and how we get into delamination and potential calcium nodules coming through, and all these other scenarios that we find every day. And according to Bill Drakeley, a lot of these problems can be tied back to a waterproofing problem.
[00:10:15] Eric Knight: Right. Well, he also says he doesn't like waterproofing because you need that really good mechanical, as he says, three dimensional bond plane between the plaster and the shotcrete. And when we watched this waterproofing get rolled on, those crevices and divots that did not get complete coverage, Jon was saying, that's where you're going to get dots.
[00:10:34] That's where you're going to get hydration marks. And that's where you could potentially get calcium nodules because it's not waterproof there. And we're talking about an area that's smaller than a dime.
[00:10:44] Jarred Morgan: Yes.
[00:10:44] Eric Knight: Okay. But there are a bunch of them because that's just kind of how the crevices are. And rolling on that material is not sufficient to fill in every nook and cranny. Whereas the spray on would not have that issue, but you have to have texture so that you get that three dimensional grip so that the plaster has a lot to stick to, because then you could get de lamination. So there's a fine line between waterproofing, which we believe is important, especially in coastal areas, and having enough texture to make sure that the plaster can grab onto it.
[00:11:13] You can't just pick one or the other, you have to have that medium. And that's why he showed us three methods. The roll on version, which had great texture, but not great coverage. The liquid, which had great coverage, but no texture. And the in between with the mechanical pump, which is how Tempool does it, so that they can get the best of both worlds.
[00:11:30] Jarred Morgan: Just so just for y'all to get a visual, it's the same as when you get the, the texture spray on your walls, same thing.
[00:11:36] Eric Knight: Right. Okay. So that was prep. What they do when they do a renovation, Tempool will go out the day before the plaster or a few days before. And they will actually prep it. They will waterproof it, they'll clean it, they'll do all this stuff to get ready for it. And then the crew comes in and that's when they plaster. The exposure crew comes the third day. This is not all done in one day. I mean, we learned a lot. I'm telling you a lot of the issues that you and I face on our hotline and in pictures that people email us, they make a lot of sense.
[00:12:06] And I want to go back to. Bill Drakeley told us on this podcast. Shotcrete problems will be reflected in the plaster. You will see them through the plaster over time. And I think he's absolutely right about that. Because we do see things like spots.
[00:12:22] Well, if you had a lack of coverage with your waterproofing, or you had a bit of delamination there because you did not apply it properly and you didn't have enough of a grip in that spot, you could get moisture trapped back there.
[00:12:34] It's entirely possible. And I definitely have a new appreciation for the plastering process because it is detailed. It's not only physically hard, but it is a process that you cannot cut corners on.
[00:12:48] Jarred Morgan: And it is a science. There's a reason for these mixes and formulas and the way that they are worked and applied and the end result. I mean, these things are all tied together.
Water to Cement Ratio - The Mixer Matters!
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[00:12:57] Eric Knight: Right? The water to cement ratio is paramount, not just in shotcrete, but in plaster as well. So that takes us to the truck. The mixing guy, at least in this company, is number two on the totem pole.
[00:13:13] Jarred Morgan: Yeah. They said he was the second most important guy there to make sure that everything flowed smoothly.
[00:13:18] Eric Knight: Literally! Oh, nice pun Jarred!
[00:13:20] Jarred Morgan: Pun intended pun intended.
[00:13:21] Eric Knight: Oh Jarred, you did it. You made a funny. It took 83 episodes, but you're on the team now. That's great.
[00:13:28] Jarred Morgan: You're welcome.
[00:13:30] Eric Knight: Let's just pause and reflect everybody.
[00:13:32] Jarred Morgan: I just do what I can when I can everybody.
[00:13:34] Eric Knight: That's our philosophy at our company.
[00:13:35] Jarred Morgan: And I just want everybody to know that Eric insisted that I read the show notes today.
[00:13:41] Eric Knight: I know he's doing so well. I actually do have notes. Normally it's just a few bullet points, but, um, we probably didn't need 'em. You can go ahead and turn 'em off now.
[00:13:51] Jarred Morgan: Okay, good.
[00:13:52] Eric Knight: Anyway. Um, so yes, the superintendent is the most important person because they are the one that is quality control, managing the crews, making sure they're moving properly, but the mixing guy doesn't have the superintendent watching him.
[00:14:06] He's on the truck, making sure it's blended right every time. That the chemicals are measured, the water is measured. If you're off on that. And, and the second batch is different from the first, you're going to have problems for sure. So I don't know where I was going with that, but sounded like a good idea to get into it at the time.
[00:14:27] Now what, one of the things that I noticed a big difference between us and the pros was how little they move their feet. We're wearing these cleats so that we can stand in the plaster and you only have four cleat holes on the ground.
[00:14:41] Jarred Morgan: Yeah. They're spikes everybody. These aren't cleats. These are like two inch spikes that were just trouncing around on this surface.
[00:14:48] Eric Knight: Right. They bolt through your shoes and,
[00:14:49] Jarred Morgan: Eric donated his shoes because his foot was too big. So yeah.
[00:14:53] Eric Knight: So I, well I brought those shoes because they were trash shoes, but size 15, they don't make boots that big apparently. So those are now donated to Tempool. But when we were in the finishing stages early on, it doesn't matter how much you move your feet.
[00:15:05] But when we started finishing the floor, we're making cleat holes. And so I'm watching these guys and they're not moving their feet at all. You, Miguel and I, and Shaun, we're moving around way too much. And they brought it up, said, Hey, the more you move, the more work we have to do. And this is setting up quickly.
[00:15:23] So I, I started watching their feet when I stepped out of the pit. And I'm thinking these guys hardly move their feet. And yet they're covering almost a 360 degree radius around them. It's amazing.
[00:15:35] Jarred Morgan: Well, that's where they got into the bend over at your hips. Because that's what you do. You, you sway and you work it around, but you have to have your legs spread. And I was just, you know, everybody's just legs kind of shoulder length apart, straight down. You're just bending over and killing your back. These guys don't do you guys, they know how to do this.
[00:15:54] Eric Knight: Yeah, you got smoked because you're putting weight on that trowel. It's not forced from your shoulder and your arm, you're leaning down on it, and then you're swiveling basically left and right. It was a pretty amazing process to watch these guys work. But honestly, I had a lot of fun. It was a cool thing to do. Like, I, I looked at that section of wall. That was mine. I thought, I can't believe I did that.
Finishing Steps
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[00:16:17] Jarred Morgan: I would not call myself a perfectionist by any stretch of the imagination. But when you're in there, whether it's painting a wall or drawing something or decorating a cake, doesn't matter, you just want to get it just right. And I felt myself just redoing things over and over just to get the lines smooth, get everything smooth.
[00:16:35] And they were like, you're working it too much. Stop, leave it alone and move on. We'll come back and we'll fix this down the road. And I was like, what do you mean we're here? It's, it's it's setting up, we got to do this. And they're like, yeah, no, it needs to harden. We got to, this is a different stage. And I was like, huh, okay.
[00:16:51] Eric Knight: With a different trowel, different setup. I mean the skill level these guys had, it's hard to describe on a podcast, but if you're listening to this and you've had a pool plastered, watch them. It is worth your time. It is a pretty remarkable skill that these guys have.
[00:17:08] Jarred Morgan: But I'd say the other thing that, you know, like I, like, I just referenced the steps of coming back. Well, one of those steps of coming back is to kind of clean the cream off the top after it's set up for a little bit. Because once you get troweled, obviously the plaster's hardening and you want it to. And then right before it gets super hard in the, in between time, you kind of kind of gotta time this perfectly, you push the pebbles.
[00:17:36] We were doing a pebble surface in you push the pebbles down so that you can compact everything. Well, when you do that, the cream of the plaster rises to the top. And it builds up a lot. And I was just absolutely shocked how much there was.
[00:17:53] Eric Knight: It's like a French press for coffee. Like you're pushing down on this stuff and the cream rises to the top and then you have to use your trowel to scrape that off.
[00:18:01] Jarred Morgan: It's like scraping butter. Yeah. You're scraping butter. And we had this tray, we were, you know, walking around with it. We were using the trowel and scraping it off into this butter holder. I don't know. And we had multiple of those butter holders and they were just full of this cream. That's what it looked like. It looked like butter.
[00:18:17] Eric Knight: Yeah. Blue butter.
[00:18:18] Jarred Morgan: And you have to get that stuff off. You have to get it off or else it's going to cause problems down the road.
[00:18:23] Eric Knight: And then one of the coolest things was at the end, they pull out wet brushes. And these are just brooms basically. And we start brooming the walls. Now mind you, at this stage, we're out of the cleats. We've taken the cleats off and now we're on sponges basically. Uh, soft cushion feet. And. On there brooming this material, and then they pull the hose out and you know, when you're brooming it just looks like a wet version of what you were doing.
[00:18:50] You could see the texture of the pebbles, but we'd already scraped the cream off. Just a light rinse finally exposed these dark black pebbles in this beautiful blue cement. It was amazing. We got some great footage of it. You could check it out on our Facebook live. You could check it out on multiple videos on Facebook.
[00:19:06] We'll have some B-roll as well. On the YouTube version of this, we may actually show some of that B-roll as we're talking. But it's just a remarkable thing to see your work within two hours of starting. From just blue goop to a beautiful pebble finish.
[00:19:22] It was a really cool, almost mesmerizing to watch.
[00:19:25] Jarred Morgan: I second, what you said before that the guys at Tempool made us look really good. And I'm pretty sure they were just trying to make us feel better by saying we did a good job. Because man, they were in there for at least another 20 minutes after we all left just filling holes in, just smoothing it out and yeah, y'all did great!
[00:19:43] Eric Knight: Listen. We had to film, somebody had to get out of the pit and film. Right.
[00:19:47] Jarred Morgan: Some people have to take phone calls, return emails. I mean, I get it.
[00:19:51] Eric Knight: We had water to drink. Yes. We had criticisms to throw at each other,
[00:19:56] Jarred Morgan: but they were awesome.
Carbonation begins
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[00:19:56] Eric Knight: They they're really, really, really good. So, um, then we, we wrap up. We finish the brooming, water it down. It's looking beautiful. And Jon Temple gives us a whole once over of what to expect the next day. He said, what's going to happen now is this surface is going to start being carbonated. There's CO2 in the air, which we know is the initial part of carbonation and most pools are going to start filling up immediately.
[00:20:23] This type of surface had a different approach because the exposure's done the next day. Now some people will just fill up the pool and do a hot start, which is an exposure method, not a startup, by the way.
[00:20:37] Tempool doesn't do that. We don't recommend that either. We want to give it time so that the carbonation has time to rise to the top, which is going to look like a white dust almost.
[00:20:48] And sure enough, we come back the next day and it's got chalk marks all over the place where there was excess water on top of the bench it was dripping down. You could see the lines. We have footage of this as well. Just to show what the exposure's actually supposed to do.
Exposure
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[00:21:05] Eric Knight: So the second day that was the exposure. And what we did was divide up the pool into three sections where they were going to do a traditional acid wash with just an acid wash and a rinse. And then the second half of that acid wash was going to be an acid wash with a brushing, a rinse, then a bicarb wash to neutralize it, and a pressure wash to rinse it again. That's kind of like the advanced acid wash.
[00:21:30] And then the other half is with a proprietary product that Tempool uses called pool wash. Which is not an acid wash, but does a really nice job at exposing. So the whole concept of the exposure is not just to burn away a whole bunch of cement. It's only to get rid of that carbonation that rises to the top. And even out the surface.
[00:21:48] Jarred Morgan: It is acidic in some form, but I, it's not as acidic as the normal method.
[00:21:54] Eric Knight: So it's, well, we washed hands with it. We washed your legs and hands with it. Yeah.
[00:21:58] Jarred Morgan: And by that's the other thing too, you get this stuff all over your legs and hands, everybody, you don't just rub it off.
[00:22:05] Eric Knight: Oh, you're talking about the plaster?
[00:22:07] Jarred Morgan: Yeah. You don't rub it off.
[00:22:08] Eric Knight: Oh yeah. It was stuck in my leg hair and everything. It was all in the learning experience. I don't regret a second of it. Um, what are some of your final takeaways on the plastering process? Jarred?
[00:22:18] Jarred Morgan: Uh, I think the exposure part of it, you know, just the fact that he emphasized the bicarb rinse multiple times and that you have to neutralize the acid when you put it on there because, you know, nobody's perfect. But I think we can all agree that neutralizing that acid after you get the exposure is pretty important here so that you can keep the acid that was on there from continuing to penetrate that surface. And get it to a final stage of, you know, passing the Baton on to the startup technician.
[00:22:50] And I think that's something that was reiterated over and over is, Hey, whenever we leave this job, we are passing the keys onto the startup guy. And the better we can make it here, the better it's going to turn out over here. Everybody plays a part in this process. So that way you can't just point your finger at one specific person.
[00:23:09] And we all need to understand that we're working together to achieve a final result. That is awesome, quite honestly. And once you get it to where you want it, and you know, you can say, this is what's going to look like, and this is way it's going to happen. And it actually happens? That's awesome.
[00:23:24] Eric Knight: That theme of passing the Baton was repeated throughout our visit there. The shotcrete guy does a good job, he passes the Baton to the prep crew. The prep crew then preps the pool and passes the Baton to the plaster crew. The plaster crew mixes everything correctly, applies the plaster correctly, and they pass the Baton to the exposure guys. The exposure guys come and they expose the pool and then they turn the keys over to the startup technician who turns the water on, in a perfect world.
[00:23:49] In reality, there's not a lot of communication between these layers in most companies. And that's where we think most of the problems originate from. For instance, if the builder doesn't tell the startup technician when the water is going to turn on, they're not going to know. They can't just do something at a spur of the moment that day.
[00:24:08] They need to know that the plaster's going to be applied tomorrow. Or ideally, several days notice so that they can plan around it because you want the startup technician there so that they can turn the water on with LSI balanced water. That's what is the ideal. But yet it doesn't happen very often.
Bill Drakeley, Jon Temple and Orenda's WU Class 3611
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[00:24:25] Eric Knight: Finally, to wrap this up, Bill Drakeley himself came down there and we reviewed our curriculum for that class, C3611, the essential plaster workshop through Watershape University at the international show. So he spent some quality time with both he and Jon Temple on what we're actually going to be covering in that class.
[00:24:44] So as a reminder to those of you in the trade, this is especially for plaster applicators and builders. That class will be offered November 12th and 13th in Las Vegas. And there's only 60 seats available. So sign up now while you can.
[00:24:57] Jarred, is there anything else you'd like to add before we wrap up this 83rd episode of our podcast?
[00:25:04] Jarred Morgan: Uh, I don't know if there's anything to add on that, but, uh, I just want to congratulate you, Eric. And I think we may have eclipsed 50 listeners.
[00:25:15] Eric Knight: Oh my gosh. It feels so good. I don't even, we'll have to come up with a, a thank you speech when we have time to think about it.
[00:25:21] Jarred Morgan: I know, well, we might celebrate it at some point down the line, but, uh, thank you honestly. Seriously. Thank you all for listening. We do really appreciate it and I hope you enjoy it. Uh, I, we do. I think we have a good time when we get on here and talk. And if there's any topics that y'all think we need to cover, or you want more information about, please just shoot us email or visit our website. Eric knows our URL. Go ahead, Eric, give our URL.
[00:25:47] Eric Knight: You still you're still on the URL thing instead of the website? Great. I said URL one time.
[00:25:52] Jarred Morgan: Oh, you got confused. I'm sorry. It's our, our, our website. Go ahead.
[00:25:56] Eric Knight: Yeah, it's ask.orendatech.com. That's our help center. And if you're going to email us ideas for the podcast, that email address is podcast@orendatech.com. Thank you all so much for listening. We don't know what we're going to talk about in the next one, but Jarred's going to be on it, because we're about to record it.
[00:26:16] Sweet. So we're going to flip a coin and see what we talk about. Thanks so much, and we'll see you in the next episode. Take care.
[00:26:23] Jarred Morgan: Thank you all.