We have just released a major update to the Orenda App. Version 3.0 features some major changes including improved formulas, more chemistry read-outs, predictive alkalinity and pH ceiling, and much more.
00:00 - Intro
02:14 - Our audience is becoming massive
02:43 - We built this app as an investment in you. Paying it forward to help the industry and every pool owner
06:01 - We make our money on selling chemicals, but this calculator is for everyone, whether you buy our chemicals or not
06:36 - We insisted on this calculator being the most accurate pool calculator in the world
08:28 - Borate is now included in the LSI calculator
12:30 - New secondary readings
15:28 - The Mac-daddy of features: future alkalinity
17:29 - New toggles to select the type of chlorine(s) and acid you use
19:54 - Three versions of the app: Android, iOS and now the web calculator.
22:16 - The user survey when you first open the app is completely anonymous, and it helps us cater the app to our users.
26:16 - Summary...and Jarred's attempted coup-de-tat. Thanks for listening!
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73. Orenda 3.0 | Our New App Update
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[00:00:00] Eric Knight: Hey, Jarred, this is the fifth episode in a row you've been on here with me. I'm almost getting tired of you now. What do you have to say to that?
[00:00:08] Jarred Morgan: I feel like I'm a regular now.
[00:00:11] Eric Knight: I feel like you're becoming the host and I'm just dwindling into irrelevance. It hurts my feelings.
[00:00:17] Jarred Morgan: I've tried it a few times. Eh, It's okay. You're a good Batman. I, I can be a good Robin. All right. Just gimme a chance. This is five in a row. Just let me stay here.
[00:00:27] Eric Knight: Well, the fans are just craving more Jarred, and I am so glad to have you here. This is episode 73 of the Rule Your pool podcast, everybody. Here again with Jarred, because you love Jarred. Everybody tells me when they email me: "We love Jarred, need more Jarred." Nobody ever thanks me for hosting, but they're, they're all about Jarred.
[00:00:46] Jarred Morgan: I actually did have somebody call me the other day and said the best episodes are the ones that uh, you're on. So thank you.
[00:00:53] Eric Knight: Specifically, they're talking about when Blue the cat walked across the keyboard. Those are the best episodes.
[00:00:58] Jarred Morgan: Well, what are we going to talk about today? That's what I want to know. Cause I didn't do any preparation here. I'm I'm just here.
[00:01:03] Eric Knight: You never do any preparation. Let's be honest, Jarred. I mean, have you ever read show notes? Like in any episode?
[00:01:09] Jarred Morgan: I see them in a nice little file over here that you just posted in the chat box.
[00:01:14] Eric Knight: So, no. Cool. Other than talking about Blue the cat, in this episode, we are going to talk about the project that I've been working on with the developers for the last several months. And it's the biggest project of the year. This is the Orenda app update, version 3.0.
[00:01:32] The major app update. The biggest app update we've ever done. Big changes. And we are here to talk about it. Share with the world what we did, why we did it, kind of get into our head. This is not going to be necessarily a long episode, but there's a lot to talk about here. So is there anything you want to add before we dive into this new update?
[00:01:50] Jarred Morgan: No, I'd agree with you. I don't think it's going to be a long episode, but I think it'll kind of peel back the curtains, give explanations for why we're doing this. That will make sense and kind of give everybody a sense of who we are as a company, if they didn't already know. But if this will at least kind of reinforce that we hope, let's do it.
[00:02:09] Eric Knight: All right. Episode 73. Let's go.
[00:02:14] Now the first thing I want to say here, to the audience, to all maybe 20 to 25 of you.
[00:02:40] Jarred Morgan: Whoa, you're jumping it. We should be at about 20 now.
[00:02:43] Eric Knight: No, no, no, that would, yeah. I guess after last episode, I, I don't know. There's no, there's no way to know. There's no way to know how many fans we have, but to the masses of you listening, this has been a huge project for us. Not just in terms of time and effort, but in dollars as well. We're paying for developers and we are investing heavily in this industry. We're not asking for a thank you or anything.
[00:03:07] The point is we are investing in this industry because for so long, pools have been mismanaged when operators were thinking that they were properly managed. We've been trying to do the right thing, but because of not understanding the LSI or not predicting where the pool chemistry was going to be after seven days, on a weekly route, pools are getting destroyed. A lot of the calls that Jarred and I get on the hotline are about plaster failures. But was it really a failure of the plaster?
[00:03:37] Was it a failure of the material? Or was it water chemistry? A lot of them are water chemistry that caused that material to fail. And because we get so many of those calls, it has become sort of our mission. It's more than a mission at this point, to get tools out into the industry that can actually help you prevent that from happening.
[00:04:00] If you don't know what water's going to do, you're going to be victim to it. What we are trying to do with this app update is take the Orenda app to a whole nother level. We want it to guide you. To tell you ahead of time, hey, you better be careful because here's, what's going to happen to your water. And it's not an easy thing to do.
[00:04:20] I can tell you we've been working on this for a very long time. We've enlisted the help of some very, very talented people. And we have tried to make not only the most accurate app that's ever existed, it's more accurate than it was.
[00:04:34] Jarred Morgan: Well, not just that. I think what I want to emphasize here is I can remember the conversation I had with you many months ago.
[00:04:42] And it derived from a phone call. I received from somebody that uses our app and said, "Hey, what's the carbonate alkalinity here?" Cause we get a lot of phone calls about, "Hey, do I need to input the carbonate alkalinity or corrected alkalinity into this app?" Or whatnot. Well, our calculator does all that for you on the back end, which is my general response. But there are some instances where we kind of need to know the carbonate alkalinity.
[00:05:09] And that's when I called Eric, I was like, "Hey, can we not have this in our app?" Because in order to know the pH ceiling, we need to know the carbonate alkalinity, and these things all matter. And it's giving more information to the user, whether they use it or not. I don't know. But at least maybe it prompts a question. Or you click the button next to it, to understand what that means or what it is or why.
[00:05:33] If we're going to make this industry better, We have to educate and inform people as to why we're going to try to do it a different way, or why are we looking at this through a different lens. Because knowledge is going to give you power.
[00:05:48] Eric Knight: Mm-hmm. I remember that call specifically. I want to take a step back and just kind of tap into our philosophy, Jarred, because if you don't understand where we're coming from, you don't understand why we would just spend a fortune on doing this app update that's free to use.
[00:06:01] We make our money on chemicals. We make no apologies for that. We sell chemicals. But when you look at this tool, nothing in that tool is actually forcing you to use our chemicals. Yeah. We show you the dosing of it. We have our product information, SDS sheets in a different section of the app, but the calculator itself is totally free to use. And it really has nothing to do with our chemicals.
[00:06:20] You only see what they would be if you use them on the dosing results page. So it is not something like "you, oh, you have to follow the Orenda system." This is a generic calculator that is used for anybody, whether you use Orenda or not.
[00:06:36] We wanted it to be... no, let me back up. We insisted on it being the most accurate calculator in the world. Bar none. And now it is. It's been a monumental project to get this to work right.
[00:06:51] This formula accounts for the densities of different chemicals. For instance, one fluid ounce of water, actually doesn't weigh one ounce. So the weight of water is actually different from the volume of water. It's actually 4% more weight. That's now accounted for in this app. It's that level of detail.
[00:07:13] The weight is different for, granular powders. For instance, uh, let's say you have a prescription for a pound of sodium bicarb. Well, a pound of sodium bicarb, by weight is actually going to be a different volume than a pound of Cal hypo by weight. Like if you were looking at the powders, a pound of each of these chemicals, it's actually different volume. So every dry chemical has to be done by weight. That's accounted for. To six decimal places, by the way.
[00:07:39] Jarred Morgan: Hey, how many people have a scale on their trucks when they're applying chemicals?
[00:07:44] Eric Knight: Right. So that's why we recommend that you use a scoop that indicates different types of dry chemicals so that you are scooping one pound of the appropriate chemical based on that, scoop.
[00:07:55] But the point is we went to that level of detail. So you are getting a very, very specific dose. Now comparing it to today's Orenda app, which we have always believed to be the most accurate that it could be, the LSI is actually even more accurate now. Very slightly different, but it's more accurate now.
[00:08:10] We're accounting for things that we didn't even know, we should be accounting for in the past. Some of those things show that it's not just about the Orenda philosophy. Of course we want proactive pool care. We want no chemical conflicts. We want no long term byproducts left behind. But we have to account for people's practices, even if we disagree with them.
[00:08:28] The main thing that we've added in this one is borate.
[00:08:32] We've never advocated for borate. We still don't advocate for borate. But borate is used by a lot of our customers. It buffers against a rise in pH. We're going to do a whole episode on it. Um, the late Bob Lowry actually published a ton of stuff on borate, and he was one of the primary sources. But he wasn't the only one. I had like 30 different tabs open when doing this research.
[00:08:53] You can look at our blog article on it. But the point is, that is now factored into the calculator. Now we don't have dosing information for it. Because we're not really endorsing the use of it. But if you use it, you need to take into account what it does to the LSI.
[00:09:06] Jarred Morgan: Well, and that was also another point of, we were listening to our users. Because our standard response has always been, do borates have a use case for the pool industry and the answer is, yeah, probably. It's being sold. It's being used. People like it that use it occasionally. And some people don't think that it really does much of anything. So it's up for the user to determine that.
[00:09:30] But in order for us to be as accurate as possible, We had to include borates for the LSI factor, because it is a slight impact on the LSI. And we've always chalked it up in the past to number one, it wasn't that prevalent. And we just didn't really agree that it was necessary. And it didn't have as much of an impact on the LSI. So we just never included it.
[00:09:54] Well, in order to be an informed user, we're including it.
[00:10:00] Eric Knight: Right. We have a lot of Orenda customers who are all in on our philosophy, but they like borates and it helps them. Hey, we heard you. We listened to you.
[00:10:08] Just because we don't advocate for it, we're not against it. We're not saying, "Hey, you should never do that." We're saying you probably don't have to, but Hey, if it helps you, you do you man, you do, you. That's fine. Now it's in the calculator.
[00:10:21] Now it's an option. So it's going to be in app settings to include it. And when you first open the app, you're going to see the app settings. If you don't see borate on your calculator, just go to the app settings in the main menu and you can select it on or off, but let's talk about what we're actually doing here. If you're familiar with the current Orenda app, we've got a lot of different things going on in that user interface.
[00:10:44] We've got a real time LSI reading, right Jarred? That's a vertical calculation of all the factors on the dials on that side. So the left side, all those dials aggregate to an LSI at the bottom, and on the right side, the same thing.
[00:10:56] Jarred Morgan: Correct.
[00:10:57] Eric Knight: We have simplified that now. We've added a lot to the screen, but we've actually simplified it because one of the big questions that we got is chlorine and phosphates.
[00:11:06] They were above the LSI. Now they're below the LSI, because they're not included in that calculation. We do have them because they are part of the dosing calculator. But they're now below the LSI. So we move the LSI up so that we can show, Hey, these are the factors that go into the LSI and then you've got chlorine and phosphate below that.
[00:11:24] Jarred Morgan: I'm going to go ahead and apologize in advance to all these service guys that test chemicals, and they go in order of pH, chlorine, alkalinity, calcium, CYA. You're going to have to switch up your input order on the calculator. Because that was how it was designed initially, because it was from a service guy's perspective, but now we're clarifying.
[00:11:43] Eric Knight: Yeah, that's exactly right. You'll still have the factors that were there before. Of course we've added borate and we've moved chlorine and phosphate below the LSI.
[00:11:52] We now have hyperlinks for some of these factors that explain what they mean. And some of them even go in more depth where there's a link, that'll take you to our website or our help center to give you more information if you want to go down that rabbit hole. Things like the TDS and salt.
[00:12:08] Why do we have TDS and salt hyperlinked? Because a lot of people don't really realize what they're supposed to put in there. Do I put in TDS? Or do I put in salt? Well, there's an answer. The borate is a hyperlink. The LSI itself is a hyperlink. Carbonate alkalinity. So now we've got this toggle that is actually going to show or hide secondary readings. And Jarred there's two secondary readings that we're going to be showing.
[00:12:30] Those two secondary readings are the carbonate alkalinity and the pH ceiling. As far as we've ever had the calculator, we've had the word alkalinity there. As Jarred said earlier, it has led to a lot of questions because "what do I add?" You know, we know the LSI needs carbonate alkalinity. Does the LSI calculator factor that in?
[00:12:50] Yes it does. But now it says total alkalinity. The reason it says total is because that's what you need to input. Put in the total alkalinity, and if your toggle says "show", you're actually going to see the carbonate alkalinity in real time, right below it in a smaller font.
[00:13:07] But we've gone a step further. It's great to have the carbonate alkalinity display. But what we really want to know, Jarred, is where is the pH rising to? What is the pH ceiling? So now this calculator will tell you, in real time, based on that carbonate alkalinity, based on the temperature, based on other factors, what your pH ceiling is going to be.
[00:13:29] So if you have all your factors in there, you can see what your worst case scenario is. I think that's really cool.
[00:13:35] Jarred Morgan: That's my most exciting piece of the update. Everybody. It's the pH ceiling. Because if you can service a pool weekly and you are going to add chemicals to try and get through that week. And you know what you're taking your pH ceiling to, and what it's not going to cross, that's comfort.
[00:13:54] I know that even though I'm at 8.0, I know that I'm not in a scale-forming environment. I know that my pH ceiling is only going to go so high. And I know that when I get back the following week, I'm going to be okay.
[00:14:08] Eric Knight: Mm-hmm that is cause you could build a plan for it.
[00:14:10] Jarred Morgan: Absolutely.
[00:14:10] Eric Knight: You could build a plan. You could say I'm going to have an 8.0 pH and then you can frame your LSI factors around that, and say, "well, if I have an 8.0, I'm still green." You're in the money. You're not going to have scale in that pool. You're not going to have calcium flakes in that salt cell. At least you shouldn't.
[00:14:24] Jarred Morgan: Everybody also who maybe didn't listen to the other app, you know, updates or listen to the other podcast. We're specifically referencing CO2 and Henry's law on the pH ceiling here. So if you want to do some research and go figure out what we're talking about, that's what we're talking about.
[00:14:40] Eric Knight: Good call. We probably should have started with that. Yeah. The pH ceiling is when your pool goes flat, like a beer or soda goes flat, CO2 is equalized in the pool and the air above the pool. And because the amount of CO2 in your water largely determines the pH of the water, when the CO2 is equalized within the water and the air, your pH can't rise anymore because no more CO2 is going to leave. They're in equilibrium.
[00:15:04] That point is what we call the pH ceiling. That's your highest pH that it can naturally go. Now pH of course, Jarred, can go higher than that if it's forced. Like if you etch the plaster because you didn't dilute acid, you can actually pull out calcium hydroxide, which has a high pH and then your pH spikes. And that's how, you know, you screwed up.
[00:15:21] Because if it's way over your pH ceiling, you did something wrong. And almost always that's abuse of acid.
[00:15:27] Jarred Morgan: Correct.
[00:15:28] Eric Knight: All right. So those are the secondary readouts that you're going to see on the main calculator page. Then there's the Mac daddy of 'em all. On the dosing results, if you are reducing the pH without changing your alkalinity, you're going to see a new factor on the dosing results screen called future alkalinity.
[00:15:48] This was not easy to do. This was, I said that it's the Mac daddy of the formula. This is predicting exactly what your new alkalinity is going to become. When you add that prescribed amount of acid. You're going to take your pH from 8.0 to 7.5? What is that going to do to your alkalinity next week?
[00:16:06] Or, you know, as soon as you pour it into the pool. What is your alkalinity going to be?
[00:16:10] This is another mechanism for you to predict where you're going to be this. If you have a service route, is really nice for prediction. It's going to allow you to forecast your chemical consumption. It's going to tell you where your alkalinity is going to be so you can start tracking, "Hey, for this pool, I'm going down an average of eight parts per million alkalinity a week." Or three and a half parts per million alkalinity a week. At that rate, I need to add bicarb every third visit or fourth visit. Whatever it is. It gives you that ability to forecast what you have going on in that pool.
[00:16:46] I think that's really, really cool. Now it's only going to show up if you are reducing pH and not alkalinity. Because if you're reducing alkalinity too, it gets overruled. So the calculator's going to still give you a pH acid dose and a alkalinity acid dose with a hyperlinked note that says if you're trying to do both this calculator doesn't know you're trying to do both, in spite of all the intelligence that we've added to it, you would just do the alkalinity adjustment. Because that will change the pH.
[00:17:16] There was no feasible way that it had like AI, that it could tell that you're trying to do both things. So it's still going to give you a pH dose and an alkalinity dose. So just keep that in mind.
[00:17:29] We've added hyperlinks to explain things on the results page. What do these factors mean? But perhaps coolest of all, Jarred, on the dosing results page, we've added a lot more options of chemical selections of what you can use. I mean, for the last five years, we've only had one strength of Cal hypo and one strength of liquid chlorine in our app.
[00:17:53] Now we've got toggles at the top. So we can pick Cal hypo, liquid chlorine, and we've added trichlor. Cal hypo has two different strengths. Liquid chlorine has two different strengths, 10% and 12.5%. And trichlor has one because it's one product.
[00:18:10] Same with acid. We've added three different acids. So if you use dry acid or sodium bisulfate, you can select that. If you use muriatic, you could select that, and you could select sulfuric acid too.
[00:18:22] So whatever you're using, we've covered pretty much everything that's common. We don't have dichlor in some of the less common ones. But we wanted you to have more options so that you can treat your pool as accurately as possible based on your own habits.
[00:18:37] We're not trying to force you into certain habits. We're encouraging you to focus on the LSI and to dose accurately. Anything you want to add to that?
[00:18:46] Jarred Morgan: Yeah, on that note, I do get a lot of questions of why aren't my desired chemical levels autopopulated with where they need to be? And the answer to that is because there are hundreds of different ways to balance this pool.
[00:19:01] We are not here to tell you how to balance the pool. Because a pool in Boston is different than a pool in Phoenix, Arizona. And how you manage that pool is completely different. So we cannot tell you what you need to do. You have to play with the calculator, play with your inputs, and change your desired levels for your specific environment.
[00:19:24] And that just takes some environmental awareness of where you are and what you need to do. But outside of that, there's hundreds of ways to balance that water.
[00:19:32] Eric Knight: Yeah, absolutely. Like Jarred said, we are not in the business of telling you how to run your business. They are your pools. Or it's your pool, if you're a homeowner.
[00:19:41] Jarred Morgan: We're not telling you how to rule your pool, except for on this podcast.
[00:19:44] Eric Knight: We're showing you how you can rule your pool, but we're not telling you how you have to rule your pool. But you'd better do it. Wait. Did I say that out loud? Okay. Uh, moving on.
3 versions of the Orenda App
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[00:19:54] Eric Knight: There are three apps that we really have. It's all Orenda app, but we now have it in three versions. We've always had it on Android and iOS. That's two of them. And those are two different coding languages, by the way. So it's been basically two different projects. And now we have it on the web version. The web calculator. We've had a web calculator, but it was very old and it was kind of wonky. Didn't look recognizable to ours. Now we've completely revamped it. It's going to be much easier to use.
[00:20:23] So if you go to our website, you'll find it pretty easily in the menu. It's going to be on the pool calculator page. We may expand it in the future, but for now, uh, we're very happy with it.
[00:20:33] Jarred Morgan: We also have different languages and metrics for giving everybody the control of what they're used to and comfortable with as well.
[00:20:42] Eric Knight: That's right. For our international audience, we do have the metric system as well as the American Imperial system. For those of you unfamiliar, the American Imperial system would be like gallons, Fahrenheit, things like that. And the metric system Celsius, liters, milliliters that kind of thing.
[00:20:58] Jarred Morgan: Just going to touch on here too, that, you know, 99% of the world uses the metric system, but we're, we're just really good at this gallon and, you know, ounce thing.
[00:21:07] Eric Knight: You know, yeah. We, we deal in gallons. Yeah. I know we deal in gallons, but you know, 10,000 gallon pool is about 38,000 liters or something very close to it.
[00:21:14] But anyways, that's available. So that's a toggle in the app settings. Same with picking your language. And currently we have English and Spanish. So we've added a lot of these popups that explain certain things. We've added a lot of new things that needed to be translated. Uh, we can always patch later. We can have French as well, but for now we have English and Spanish.
[00:21:32] Jarred Morgan: We do have French Eric.
[00:21:34] Eric Knight: Well, we do for the calculator, but not for all the popups yet. But that's going to be a patch in the future. Trust me, it's a lot more work than it sounds like. But it will be a patch in the future.
[00:21:43] Uh, the point is we want to make this calculator as familiar to you and as easy to use as possible to get accurate information. And I'm very proud of this. It's just been a big, big project and I hope you find value in it. I sincerely do.
[00:21:58] Anything you want to add to this, Jarred?
[00:22:00] Jarred Morgan: No. And it has been a massive undertaking, especially for Eric. Because he is, I guess our architect. He's the person in charge of talking to the developers with the app. So it's a big mountain, um, and it has been a lot of work. So we appreciate that.
[00:22:16] And also the other thing that you'll see when you download the app and you update it is there's going to be a survey that pops up. And I just want to express that. Obviously you don't have to do this survey. There's some things that are just, they're simple, simple questions. Like how many pools do you service and are you a homeowner or a service company and things like that.
[00:22:37] But if y'all could please fill out as much as you can or you're comfortable with. It really helps us tailor the app for your use case and things that are specifically for a homeowner. Because they're a little different. And not that we're doing anything with your information, but we just kind of need to know who we're talking to. Who is our audience? And that's really what we're looking for. And we would appreciate you guys, you know, helping us.
[00:23:02] Eric Knight: I'm going to expand on that. The first three questions of the survey are mandatory, but they're totally anonymous. We don't track any of your data. We don't store any of your data. We have no idea who you are.
[00:23:13] We have no business looking at your phone or selling any. No, no, no. We, we value your privacy. All it is is telling us, just like Jarred said, it allows us to cater the app to our user base. We want to know better who are we dealing with? So if there are features that we should be adding in the future, it really helps us to know kind of what our demographic is.
[00:23:36] We want to know generally where in the world are you. If we have a ton of people in a country that we don't support that language, if we find out we've got hundreds of people in a certain country, we may add that language.
[00:23:48] That's just one example of it. So it's totally anonymous. We have a further survey that Jarred's referring to. If you are willing to fill that out, um, again, we never share your data, but it helps us communicate because we want to get to know you. Thank you for using our app. But if you want more from us, we'd like to be a part of your pool experience.
[00:24:07] And thank you for being in our ecosystem in general. Whether it's reading our website, listening to this podcast, watching our videos, using our app, whatever it is. You're doing better for your pool by learning about it. Now you may not use our products. You may not be able to get our products if you're overseas.
[00:24:24] Thank you for being here anyway. We're grateful for it. Your water hopefully will be grateful for it as well. And, uh, I don't have anything else to add. I mean, to be honest, this has just been kind of a venting session of just expressing the sincerity of what this project meant to our company. It has been huge.
[00:24:42] It has just been, uh, maybe the biggest thing I've worked on outside of Orenda Academy. And I'm really glad that we're wrapped up with it.
[00:24:51] Jarred Morgan: Yeah. And I, I agree. And I think that I don't have a whole lot to add here except for there's there's always going to be people that say, well, you are a chemical manufacturer and this is, you know, advertising.
[00:25:03] Well, it does cost money, like Eric said, to support the app and everything that goes with it and the development. But at the end of the day, it genuinely is a tool and a resource that we want to provide to not just the industry, but homeowners alike who maintain their pools. I mean we help, we answer the phones.
[00:25:23] Eric answers the phone all the time. So do I. Our emails and phone numbers are all over the place. We are happy to answer phone calls and questions....
[00:25:31] Eric Knight: After you check out the brand new help center that we discussed in the last episode, yes. Let's start there.
[00:25:37] Jarred Morgan: And it's because even though you may not use our products, like Eric said. If you're genuinely trying to become better at what you do and having a better understanding as to the why. Why are we doing it a certain way?
[00:25:53] Maybe you'll come around. Maybe you won't. No idea. But our information's out there. Our resources are out there. The tools we provide are out there for you to use. Period.
[00:26:03] We appreciate it very much. Thanks to everybody. We get phone calls and emails and how we have new listeners all the time. And, you know, we genuinely do listen, we hear it. We share that with our team and we appreciate it.
[00:26:16] Eric Knight: Yeah, we really do. So thank you so much for listening. This has been episode 73 of the Rule Your Pool podcast. If you have comments or questions: podcast@orendatech.com is the email. And again, you can visit our brand new help center, ask.orendatech.com.
[00:26:33] I'm Eric Knight. And with me as lately every single episode, five in a row. Jarred, thanks for being here again.
[00:26:40] Jarred Morgan: Call me the co-host. Let's just, let's just make it official.
[00:26:43] Eric Knight: I can't, I'm not, I'm not prepared to make that jump yet.
[00:26:46] Jarred Morgan: All right, I'll be the host. Thanks everybody for listening to the Rule Your pool podcast. Uh, we'll see what we cover next time.
[00:26:53] Eric Knight: Well, played, take care, everyone.